Josh Duggar Checks Into Treatment Center After Porn Star Details “Very Traumatic” and “Terrifying” Sexual Encounter

By R.L. Stollar, HA Community Coordinator

Increasingly disturbing revelations continue to surface in the tragic circumstances surrounding the Duggars, the former TLC celebrity family of “19 Kids and Counting.”

This last May it came to light that Josh Duggar, the oldest son of Jim Bob and Michelle Duggar and the now-disgraced former executive of the Family Research Council’s legislative action arm, had molested five children when he was a teenager, including members of his own family. Other celebrities from the Religious Right immediately stepped up to defend Josh and minimize the horrors of child molestation, including: Rick Boyer, board member of the Home Educators Association of Virginia (HEAV); Matt Walsh, viral blogger and popular homeschool speaker at the Great Homeschool Conventions; Mike Huckabee, Republican Presidential hopeful endorsed by HSLDA’s Michael Farris; Ray Comfort, a popular New Zealand Christian evangelist; and Kevin Swanson, director of Generations with Vision and former executive director of the Christian Home Educators of Colorado.

Then a week ago, Gawker broke the story that Josh had paid almost $1,000 for a “guaranteed” affair via the adultery-promoting website Ashley Madison. This led Josh to publicly confess to cheating on his wife, though in his statement he appeared to blame a “pornography addiction” for leading him to that point. Josh said,

I have been the biggest hypocrite ever. While espousing faith and family values, I have secretly over the last several years been viewing pornography on the internet and this became a secret addiction and I became unfaithful to my wife.

 

Ironically, it was then adultery — rather than the far more chilling and actual crime of molesting children — that led several of Josh’s previous defenders to finally realize the absolute seriousness of Josh’s situation. Rick Boyer said in a public Facebook post that he “was wrong” that Josh was currently living “an exemplary life.” However, Boyer also qualified that by saying he “was right in all that” regarding child molestation, namely, that Josh’s “poor sisters had been abused far more by the buzzard-like media than they ever were by Josh” (image archived here).  Similarly, Matt Walsh said in a public Facebook post that he “was wrong about the Duggar situation” (image archived here). But unlike Boyer, who had the gall to say the media “abused” molested children more than their actual molester, Walsh realized what we homeschool alumni have been saying all along: that the Duggars should never have paraded around their family on TV right after their son molested five children, including siblings. Walsh said,

The more I think about this, I realized I was too easy on the the Duggar parents as well. Jim Bob and Michelle knew that their oldest son was struggling with severe sexual sin, they knew their daughters had been abused, they knew their family was in the midst of moral and spiritual turmoil, yet they STILL decided to put themselves and their children on TV for ten years.

Of course, back in May, Walsh just dismissed people saying this very thing in the flippant way he always treats people with different opinions than his own.

After Josh’s Ashley Madison account became public, secret profiles of Josh’s on Facebook and OKCupid also surfaced. These profiles revealed his private online relationships with strippers and porn stars, including a relatively new porn star named Danica Dillon.

Today Danica revealed the full extent of her relationship with Josh — namely, that while Josh’s wife Anna was pregnant with their fourth child, Josh allegedly forced Danica into having “very traumatic” and “terrifying” rough sex without the use of protection. Though Danica is taking pains to claim the sex was “consensual,” the fact that Josh exchanged money for sex that Danica clearly was not comfortable with — considering both her fear of his use of force as well as his unwillingness to use protection — indicates very clearly full and enthusiastic consent wasn’t important to Josh. Danica says that Josh was “basically tossing me around like I was a rag doll.”

Furthermore, Josh’s unwillingness to use protection clearly puts not only himself and Danica in danger of sexually transmitted diseases, but also Josh’s wife Anna – who was completely oblivious to Josh’s extraordinarily risky and abusive sexual actions.

My heart continues to break for Anna and I really hope she can receive help if she wants it.

Anna was raised in a conservative Christian homeschooling environment that promoted sexual purity until marriage at all costs. Purity was guaranteed as the sure-fire way to stay safe from romantic heartbreak and sexual diseases. Yet now Anna has to deal with the potential devastation of those very things despite following the purity script. At this point we have no idea how many sex workers Josh forced into having unprotected sex with him and thus potentially exposed Anna to any resulting diseases.

This is yet another tragic example of why we need to rethink how homeschooling parents teach their child about “purity”: Sexuality and sexual health are far more complicated than the white picket fence and white wedding dress fantasies of purity culture. When two young people engage in betrothal or courtship and hardly get the opportunity to have personal, private, one-on-one conversations with each other, they have no idea if their spouse, for example, experienced sexual abuse as a child. So even if your spouse never engaged in willing, premarital sex, you don’t know if your spouse is STD-free. That’s something couples need to talk about, even couples who grew up “pure.” And if your spouse cheats on you like Josh did, he might not think about the importance of protection, and thereby place you at risk for STDs — without you even knowing about it. This is why realism in sex and relationship education is desperately important — and potentially life-saving.

In the wake of Danica Dillon’s allegations, Michelle Duggar today wrote on her blog that, “Yesterday Josh checked himself into a long-term treatment center.” An image of her full statement follows:

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We are so thankful for the outpouring of love, care and prayers for our family during this most difficult situation with Josh. As parents we are so deeply grieved by our son’s decisions and actions. His wrong choices have deeply hurt his precious wife and children and have negatively affected so many others. He has also brought great insult to the values and faith we hold dear. Yesterday Josh checked himself into a long-term treatment center. For him it will be a long journey toward wholeness and recovery. We pray that in this he comes to complete repentance and sincere change. In the meantime, we will be offering our love, care and devoted support to Anna and our grandchildren as she also receives counsel and help for her own heart and future. During this time we continue to look to God—He is our rock and comfort. We ask for your continued prayers for our entire family.

When it became public several months ago that Josh had molested five children, Jim Bob and Michelle Duggar originally claimed that they had sent him to a “faith-based” treatment center run by Bill Gothard, whose sexual abuse counseling material blames victims for their own abuse and discourages wives from leaving husbands who molest their children. Similarly, it is rumored that Josh has again been sent to a “faith-based” treatment center, this time Reformers Unanimous (RU). RU, which offers treatment for pornography addiction and sex addiction, is run by Paul Kingsbury. Kingsbury has zero academic credentials in counseling, medicine, or therapy. Though he calls himself a “Doctor” due to two honorary degrees, his highest actual level of education is a Bachelor of Arts from Hyles-Anderson College, an unaccredited Independent Fundamentalist Baptist college. Kingsbury was mentored in his career by Dr. Jack Hyles, who infamously defended child molestors in the church he founded, First Baptist Church of Hammond.

However, as of the time of publication, the Duggar family has yet to officially confirm where Josh checked himself into.

37 comments

  • While I whole-heartedly appreciate this article, I do have a problem with your remarks regarding the scientific validity of porn and sex addiction. My experiences and time with my therapist have indicated that a person can pretty much become addicted to anything, provided it scratches the itch. And as someone who grew up under the thumb of a patriarch who was addicted to pornography, I can tell you it is a real addiction and has very severe and long-lasting consequences. The person’s behavior is erratic, violent, controlling, and extremely opposed to responsiveness from another person- if it is not EXACTLY what they wanted from the exchange. A child might be appreciative of a gift, but if it is not the EXACT response the addict imagined, he becomes angry and punishing. While it may not result in a change to the brain’s chemical make-up (like alcohol does) it is still a very real addiction. You blocked someone on Facebook for commenting “get over it,” but conflating chemical addictions with behavioral addictions and using that to invalidate behavioral addictions is also triggering and diminishing to survivors of that abuse.

    • Thanks for speaking up with your discomfort over that sentence’s phrasing, Courtney. I’ve changed the sentence accordingly. And thanks for being willing to share a bit of your story. I’m sorry you had to grow up under such abusive circumstances.

    • The problem is, since even viewing porn is considered “porn addiction” in his (Josh’s) culture, we have no way of knowing if he actually had an addiction or if he was just using evangelical dogwhistles to garner sympathy.

      • @ Volcanic Ash: Yeah, that’s a concern of mine as well, specifically since Josh appears to imply that his infidelity resulted from viewing pornography. That’s a cop-out and diversion, in my mind.

        At the same time, I understand Courtney’s concerns. I hope I rephrased that sentence in a way that respect both sides here.

      • Yeah, if only it were porn, LOL. Josh Duggar has many profound levels of problems—he reminds me thoroughly of the story of one of the co-founders of Alcoholics Anonymous.

        The first step toward Josh’s many needed levels of recovery is admitting the full nature of his problem/disease, and that he cannot control it. Not for sympathy, not as an excuse—he must simply believe in his heart that he cannot win.

        (And seriously, porn stars are usually some of the nicest and most interesting and accepting people you’ll ever meet! They have great stories. Also, ironically, like folks in Alcoholics Anonymous.)

      • Headless Unicorn Guy

        Yeah, that’s a concern of mine as well, specifically since Josh appears to imply that his infidelity resulted from viewing pornography.

        He’s taking Ted Bundy’s playbook to James Dobson.
        Reinforcing the Christianese anti-pornography trope.
        Problem is, in Josh’s Christianese milieu, anything except the Bible could be pornography(TM).

    • The short answer is: nothing is a problem until it’s A Problem. Whether it’s paleo eating, CrossFit, porn, gambling, alcohol, Shark Week, video games, Netflix, or picking your nose… nothing is a problem until it’s A Problem.

      One person’s “porn” might be fantasy football/baseball. CrossFit definitely feels like “porn” to me for a lot of folks. Another’s “porn” might be being dressed in a diaper and spanked. A thing becomes A Problem *especially* if you feel you have to hide it (even if there’s no need at all to express shame!).

      (Remember the hilarious/sad scene in “Knocked Up” when Paul Rudd’s character has to sneak out to his fantasy league draft, hiding it from his wife like an Ashley Madison hook-up?)

      And a special thanks to Courtney for pointing out the differences between “addictions.” There are physiological addictions, emotional addictions, psychological addictions, etc., to say nothing of the difference between dependence and addiction.

  • Thank you. However, I still have a problem with the phrasing. Behavioral addictions are real. The article you linked is a news article that conflates excessive porn viewing with porn addiction. Excessive use of something does not necessarily make one an addict. I drink too much Red Bull. But I can also go days without it and not compulsively seek it out or rage if I do not get it. I would feel more comfortable, if it is possible, for the sentence to read something like, “…this time Reformers Unanimous (RU). RU offers treatment for pornography addiction and sex addiction, two widely recognized behavioral addictions, yet provoke significant debate within scientific communities as to the effectiveness of faith-based treatments.” Something along those lines. I have also included a link to a resource that I was given. It is a scientific journal, the International Journal of Preventative Medicine. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3354400/

    But I appreciate all the work you and the team have done on this site. It has been an untold source of encouragement and practical help. And I do not want anyone who reads this to feel as if their experiences are not real or would not be taken seriously by a professional, licensed therapist.

    • And I don’t want my clarification of behavioral addiction to seem like I am making an excuse for Josh. He was still responsible for his behaviors. He could have, many times over, sought help for a real problem. Since behavioral addictions are real, he could have received real treatment and not engaged in his cruel behaviors.

      • Thanks, Courtney. I decided I’ll just remove that sentence entirely as I think it’s detracting from the greater issues at hand and I don’t want to needlessly hurt those impacted by such struggles. I decided to focus instead on RU’s chair, Paul Kingsbury.

        Thank you again for sharing your thoughts!

    • No, you’re right, this is a great clarification. Josh can be both responsible for his actions yet also suffer from real problems. It’s not either/or. My fear is that Josh will “clean up” upon his return from treatment and think all can eventually return to normal.

      It’s can’t. He’s an alcoholic, only his “drink” is a little different. His behavior still hurts people; he’s still responsible for it. But admitting his own helplessness is the first step. That hasn’t happened yet in Josh’s case. That’s a really dangerous, serious thing for those around him.

      As I usually say to the folks on this site I know IRL: this means that person (Josh) still has a LONG way to fall.

      I’m no church-goer or believer, but damn this is true: many will be broken so that He can make them whole, yet many will be completely crushed.

  • Your analysis is excellent. I really believe teenagers should be given comprehensive information and education regarding STDs and contraception, as well as be provided with the HPV vaccine– not because any of it encourages promiscuity, but because waiting for marriage is absolutely NO guarantee against the transmission of an STD over the course of a married adult’s entire lifetime. I am sorry this family is suffering, most especially Anna Duggar who has tried to live up to every idealized moral standard she was raised with.. Her experience is an example for many parents, why comprehensive education is so vitally important.

  • Headless Unicorn Guy

    More evidence that Spiritual Abuse Watchbloggers never need to watch soap opera.

  • Headless Unicorn Guy

    After Josh’s Ashley Madison account become public, secret profiles of Josh’s on Facebook and OKCupid also surfaced. These profiles revealed his private online relationships with strippers and porn stars, including a relatively new porn star named Danica Dillon.

    Today Danica revealed the full extent of her relationship with Josh — namely, that while Josh’s wife Anna was pregnant with their fourth child, Josh allegedly forced Danica into having “very traumatic” and “terrifying” rough sex without the use of protection. Though Danica is taking pains to claim the sex was “consensual,” the fact that Josh exchanged money for sex that Danica clearly was not comfortable with — considering both her fear of his use of force as well as his unwillingness to use protection — indicates very clearly full and enthusiastic consent wasn’t important to Josh. Danica says that Josh was “basically tossing me around like I was a rag doll.”

    Now that sounds like a “freak trick”, where the prostie turning the trick wonders if she’ll come out of this alive.

    But as was commented on another blog, Daddy or Mike Huckabee have always been able to buy Josh out of any trouble. (Including STDs or major felonies? We shall see…)

    As the bokor in The Princess and the Frog would say, Nothing like Friends in High Places.

  • @ RL Stollar. Thank you so much for understanding. And the change is much, much closer to one of the ongoing, real problems within fundamentalist culture.

  • They sent him to another place that doesn’t deal Biblically with sin… good grief. Not again. Don’t these people EVER learn?

  • A good post from a Georgia mom about Anna Duggar

    JESSICA KIRKLAND’S FULL ‘BREATHE FIRE’ POST

    I know everybody is laughing about this Josh Duggar story. Oh, a DUGGAR on Ashley Madison, it’s so rich! I wish more people would talk about Anna. I normally keep things light on Facebook, but let’s talk about Anna. Let me tell you: Anna Duggar is in the worst position she could possibly be in right now. Anna Duggar was crippled by her parents by receiving no education, having no work experience (or life experience, for that matter) and then was shackled to this loser because his family was famous in their religious circle. Anna Duggar was taught that her sole purpose in life, the most meaningful thing she could do, was to be chaste and proper, a devout wife, and a mother. Anna Duggar did that! Anna Duggar followed the rules that were imposed on her from the get-go and this is what she got in reward- a husband who she found out, in the span of six months, not only molested his own sisters, but was unfaithful to her in the most humiliating way possible. While she was fulfilling her “duty” of providing him with four children and raising them. She lived up to the standard that men set for her of being chaste and Godly and in return, the man who demanded this of her sought women who were the opposite. “Be this,” they told her. She was. It wasn’t enough.

    What is Anna Duggar supposed to do? She can’t divorce because the religious environment she was brought up would blame her and ostracize her for it. Even if she would risk that, she has no education and no work experience to fall back on, so how does she support her kids? From where could she summon the ability to turn her back on everything she ever held to be sacred and safe? Her beliefs, the very thing she would turn to for comfort in this kind of crisis, are the VERY REASON she is in this predicament in the first place. How can she reconcile this? Her parents have utterly, utterly failed her. Think of this: somewhere, Anna Duggar is sitting in prayer, praying not for the strength to get out and stand on her own, but for the strength to stand by this man she is unfortunately married to. To lower herself so that he may rise up on her back.

    As a mother of daughters, this makes me ill. Parents, WE MUST DO BETTER BY OUR DAUGHTERS. Boys, men, are born with power. Girls have to command it for themselves. They aren’t given it. They assume it and take it. But you have to teach them to do it, that they can do it. We HAVE to teach our daughters that they are not beholden to men like this. That they don’t have to marry a man their father deems ‘acceptable’ and then stay married to that man long, long after he proved himself UNACCEPTABLE. Educate them. Empower them. Give them the tools they need to survive, on their own if they must. Josh Duggar should be cowering in fear of Anna Duggar right now. Cowering. He isn’t, but he should be. He should be quaking in fear that the house might fall down around them if he’s in the same room as she. Please, instill your daughters with the resolve to make a man cower if he must. To say “I don’t deserve this, and my children don’t deserve this.” I wish someone had ever, just once, told Anna she was capable of this. That she knew she is. As for my girls, I’ll raise them to think they breathe fire.

    • My very best wishes as you empower your children to be free. While considering the whole of this, please allow them the freedom to choose unbelief too, to fully love and be with them even if they want to be in life without what you believe or don’t… Empowerment is born in equal relationship and you sound to me like you have that with your children!
      Anna Duggar has made so many bad decisions to be where she is now and that is not her fault but it will be Anna who decides what her future might be. Survivors here support her being free. Can she be free?

  • Here is the conservative journalist/radio talk show Janet Mefferd’s list of questions she would have asked Jim Bob and Michelle Duggar about the sexual abuse if she had been given the opportunity to interview them (instead of that Fox twit we saw)

    http://janetmefferd.com/2015/06/questions-questions-what-i-would-have-asked-the-duggars/

    “I don’t know what you were doing last night, but I was yelling at my TV.

    I wasn’t literally yelling. But I was frustrated, and I did erupt in a few, rather loud “WHAT?!”s and a bonus round of several “You’ve GOT to be kidding me!”s. This is often what happens when I tune in to softball TV interviews, which is why I usually avoid them. And if ever I’ve seen a softball TV interview, it was last night’s sit-down between Fox News’ Megyn Kelly and the Duggar parents, Jim Bob and Michelle.

    It is not for nothing that there is a lot of controversy surrounding Josh Duggar’s admitted molestation of five young girls, including his sisters, since this famously clean-living Christian family is accused of covering up the sexual abuse for years and skirting the full legal consequences for their son. Did they do it for the considerable cash they were sure to earn through their reality TV show? Were they aware that the molestations were crimes under the law, or did they honestly believe they were just “mistakes?” Furthermore, what about the Duggar statements that don’t totally align with what’s in the police reports?

    There are a lot of tough questions that need to be posed to the Duggars. Unfortunately, Megyn Kelly didn’t really pose them (at least the ones I think she should have asked). So today, I reviewed a lot of the material in the police reports and the news stories, deliberately avoiding other people’s blogs and commentaries. I simply asked myself, “If given the chance to interview the Duggars after Megyn Kelly, what would I have asked them?”

    I always compile long lists of questions before I ever interview anybody. But this one is, admittedly, longer than most. I apologize for that, but I think each question is important. Here they are:
    1.You both have used a number of terms to describe what Josh did to these five girls, including the phrases “mistakes” and “wrong choices.” These are terms usually reserved for fairly innocuous errors. Do you believe the sexual molestations Josh committed against these five girls were simply errors, rather than crimes? If not, why use such language to refer to what Josh admittedly did?
    2.It took you three reported incidents to get outside “help,” as you call it, to deal with the molestation of these five girls. You say this is because you’d heard the success rate for rehab wasn’t very good. But why would fear of the effectiveness of rehab preclude you from going to police after the first reported incident?
    3.Jim Bob, you admitted during the interview that the first two molestation victims were not awake but the subsequent victims were fully awake. Yet you said right after that, “none of the victims really knew about (the abuse) or understood what he had done until we told them.” How can both of those assertions be simultaneously true – that some were awake, and yet none of them knew what Josh had done? What exactly does that mean?
    4.You said that Josh called the babysitter he claims to have fondled and asked for her forgiveness. Did you ever talk directly to the babysitter’s parents after Josh molested her? What was their reaction to the abuse? Did they have any alternative opinion on how the abuse should be handled, legally?
    5.Knowing that Josh had sexually molested some of your daughters before, how was it that Josh was allowed to have a girl sit on his lap, a girl he claims to have molested? Where were you both physically located at that exact moment?
    6. After Josh’s first report to you, did you ever leave him alone with any of your daughters?
    7.After Josh’s first report to you, did you ever allow him to babysit for any of your daughters?
    8.Jim Bob, you have claimed that before you went to the Arkansas State Police, you “didn’t know anything about (Cpl. Joseph Hutchens) besides that he was an officer there at headquarters.” However, in the police report, Darrell Hignite reports the following: “I asked the Duggars if any of this had ever been reported to the police. James said that he had spoken to a state trooper after (Josh) had returned from the program in Little Rock. James said that he knew Col. Hutchins (sic) with the Arkansas State Police. James said that he knew Hutchins because he used to be a car dealer and Cpl. Hutchins was the State Trooper who inspected car dealers.” How do those two different accounts fit together?Did you have any direct conversations with Cpl. Hutchens about Josh’s crimes prior to physically going into state police headquarters and reporting those crimes to him in an official capacity?
    9.Exactly how much contact did you have with Cpl. Hutchens prior to reporting Josh’s crimes? What was the nature and frequency of your contact with him?
    10.When Cpl. Hutchens, as you reported, told you that a treatment program was enough for Josh, did you object in any way?
    11.What did Cpl. Hutchens specifically indicate to you about a police report? Did he ever tell you directly that he would not be writing up a report?
    12.If not, did you ask him for a copy of the police report at that time, or in the weeks following your visit there?
    13.You say “a few weeks went by, a few months went by” while you were waiting to hear from the police. Did you ever return to the headquarters or call to inquire about the status of the case? If not, why not?
    14.Cpl. Hutchens has subsequently claimed that you lied to him about the severity of Josh’s sexual-assault crimes when you came to him to discuss the situation, and that he would have made an official report had he known more about what happened. What do you say to that?
    15.You have stated that you do not believe Josh is a pedophile, due to his age. However, the Springdale police report references a “state class” under Offense No. 1 as sexual assault in the 2nd degree. According to Title 5 of the Arkansas Code, a minor can be charged with 2nd degree sexual assault if he “engages in sexual contact with another person who is less than 14 years of age; and not the person’s spouse.” The statute also states that the minor does not have an “affirmative defense to a prosecution” if the minor was more than three years older than the victim, and the victim is less than 12 years of age; or four years older than the victim if the victim is 12 years of age or older. At any time, was Josh potentially facing charges of 2nd degree sexual assault?
    16.Is it true, as has been reported, that Josh attempted to sue the Arkansas Department of Human Services after his crimes were investigated? If so, why?
    17.You also have said in this interview that in the first abuse incidents, the victims “weren’t even aware.” Yet Michelle, you have said that when you went to the police department, your children “poured out their hearts. They shared everything.” Who shared everything? Just the final two victims? Or all the girls? And if it was all the girls, how could they pour out their hearts about incidents you and your husband say they weren’t aware of?
    18.Jim Bob, you have said that “parents are not mandatory reporters” when it comes to sexual abuse of children. However, the December 2006 police report notes – and it is widely known publicly – that your children are educated at home. Under Arkansas law, teachers are required to report suspected child maltreatment, including sexual abuse. Would your role as teacher PLUS parent not effectively broaden your own personal responsibility to bring any child maltreatment issues to the attention of authorities immediately?
    19.Who was this family friend of yours who described Josh’s molestations in a letter that was put inside a book and later discovered? Was the letter inaccurate in any way? Did you see it? Did you have subsequent conversations about it with this family friend?
    20.An unidentified female contacted Oprah Winfrey’s production company in 2006 and tipped them off to Josh’s incidents of sexual abuse. What, if anything, did Harpo Studios communicate to you directly about that tip at that time or afterward?
    21.Your family has been very involved in what is called the Biblical Patriarchy movement, and yet that movement has been tarred in the last several years by sex scandals. You have associated with Bill Gothard, founder of the Christian nonprofit Institute for Basic Life Principles, who resigned last year after allegations of rampant sexual harassment. Doug Phillips, founder of Vision Forum, has been another close friend of yours. Phillips, too, was felled by a sex scandal – an “inappropriate relationship” with a younger women not his wife that resulted in his stepping down in 2013. This was an organization, Michelle, that named you “Mother of the Year” in 2010. Why do think we are seeing so many major sex scandals coming out of the Biblical Patriarchy movement?
    22.In one lesson from Gothard’s Advanced Training Institute, called “Lessons from Moral Failures in a Family,” there is a hypothetical scenario described, in which “an older brother was guilty of sexually abusing younger ones in his family.” When the brother repents, one of the questions he is asked is this: “What factors in the home contributed to immodesty and temptation?” How do you react to that question?
    23.Do you believe there can ever be a case in which responsibility for sexual abuse can ever be laid at the feet of a victim? Do you believe any of the five girls Josh admits to molesting bear any kind of responsibility for their abuse? Or do you believe he bears full responsibility for it?
    24.Do you see the Biblical Patriarchy movement as having negatively impacted your family dynamics in any way? If so, how?
    25.You noted that after Josh fondled your daughters, apparently in their beds, and then fondled girls on a couch, you talked to other parents and noted “a lot of families have said that they’ve had similar things happen in their families.” Were these families all homeschooling families? Did it strike you as at all odd that molestations seemed to be common in your circles? What did you make of it?
    26.Based on your conversations with these families, were you led to believe that sexual abuse is common, and so perhaps it should not draw undue alarm? In other words, could that information in any way have contributed to you downplaying Josh’s abuse of the five girls, as many have charged?
    27.Do you continue to have any contact with Bill Gothard, either on the phone, in writing or in person?
    28.It has been reported that your family still follows the teaching plans of Gothard’s Advanced Training Institute. Is that true or false?
    29.Romans 13 talks about Christians needing to submit to the governing authorities. What responsibility do you believe you have to submit to the governing authorities when it comes to the commission of crimes and the breaking of the civil law?
    30.Can you think of any biblical reasons for not reporting sexual abuse to police as soon as it occurs?
    31.You talk about Josh being forgiven by God. Do you believe that forgiveness from God precludes civil punishment for a teenaged boy who sexually molests young girls, especially given the Arkansas statute on 2nd degree sexual assault and minors?
    32. If not, what do you believe is a proper civil punishment for a teenaged boy who sexually molests girls as young as 5?
    33.How was it that after the first sexual-abuse incident Josh committed, there were others? How was that even possible, given that you said you had put in safeguards?
    34.Do you believe sexually fondling a young girl without her consent is only sexual abuse if the victim is fully awake?
    35.Jim Bob, you said you “had nothing to hide” because “all this was taken care of in 2002-2003,” and that was why you didn’t hesitate to launch your reality TV show. Michelle, you have said, “In our hearts before God, we haven’t been keeping secrets.” Did you disclose the incidents to TLC, prior to launching your reality TV show? Was anyone at TLC aware of the molestations prior to May 2015?
    36.You refer to an agenda that has twisted things to “hurt and slander.” What is the slander that people have committed against you?
    37.Michelle, you’ve said your girls “have been victimized more by what has happened in these last couple weeks than they were 12 years ago.” Are you really saying that media reports about the sexual abuse have been worse than the sexual-abuse incidents themselves?
    38.Michelle, you say: “We have been protecting those that, honestly, should be protected,” referring to the girls. Do you also believe you protected Josh in the process?
    39.Jim Bob, you say, “When they asked us to do the reality TV show, all of this had been taken care of five years before, and we had a clean bill of health from the state.” What exactly do you mean by “a clean bill of health from the state?”
    40.Jim Bob, you say, “Our son violated God’s principles from doing some improper touching.” Did he not also violate the law, the trust of the public and the innocence of those five young girls?
    41.In light of Josh’s past, did either of you ever advise him against taking that highly visible political job with the Family Research Council? Did you ever discuss the possibility that your family could face even more public scrutiny if Josh decided to serve in that role?
    42. Jim Bob, you say,“the big picture is protecting juveniles’ records.” While that certainly is an important point, it would seem to many that the bigger picture is what happened to those five girls and whether or not your subsequent actions were appropriate. Why is “the big picture” the protecting of juveniles’ records, in your mind, rather than the abuse of those five girls?
    43.If a 14-year-old boy you did not know had molested your 5-year-old, how would you have handled it? Would you have reported the stranger to police, or would you have let his parents handle it in-house?”

  • Dr. Keith Ablow (conservative and a psychiatrist) and Pastor Robert Jeffress about Josh’s sexual abuse of his four sisters and a baby sitter. They duked it on on Hannity’s tv program over this.

  • Again, Mama Duggar is speaking on behalf of Josh. It’s time for Josh to speak for himself or Anna to speak on behalf of her family.

    And, still not a peep from KSwan. I guess even he can’t make excuses for Josh any more.

  • What a mess. I don’t think this is even the tip of the iceberg either. 😦

  • Anything or anyone associated with Jack Hyles & Hyles-Anderson college should be immediately dismissed. Jack Hyles was an adulterer, as was his son David, who has also been accused of murder.

    While I do believe God will change the heart of anyone who asks Him, there has to be a sincere effort to get to the root problem, and I’m sorry but praying harder & reading your bible more just won’t cut it in this case. Josh Duggar has a very deep-seated sexual dysfunction that can only be addressed in a highly specialized professional treatment center. Addicts are master manipulators, and Josh will most likely dot his ‘i’s and cross his ‘t’s at Reformers Unanimous with no actual change. He has been white-knuckling it his whole life and no one has helped him. His parents have failed him and they need to step out of the way and let this 27 year old man reap what he has sown. They need to stop shoving their fundamentalist theology down his throat, because it’s not working.

    • Headless Unicorn Guy

      Anything or anyone associated with Jack Hyles & Hyles-Anderson college should be immediately dismissed. Jack Hyles was an adulterer, as was his son David, who has also been accused of murder.

      Don’t forget his son-in-law and heir-by-marriage (like Ramsey Snow/Bolton to The North) after David became an embarrassment:
      Polishing-the-Shaft Schaapf.

      • Of course…how could I forget Jack Schaap!

        IFB’ers validate themselves in their circular universe with the churches starting (unaccredited) colleges, then colleges cranking out pastors for their churches. Reformers Unanimous is just another cog in the IFB machine. It inevitably points everyone to the same thing all IFB’ers point to – just live off the checklist and all of your problems will go away. Can you tell I’m a little bitter? I wasn’t raised in an IFB church, but was under a Hyles-Anderson graduate that left IFB. Problem was that he didn’t leave the theology behind and so for 10 yrs I was under a lot of the IFB teaching. It’s damaging and offers no hope to real people with real problems. It’s all rules, lists, performance and numbers.

  • Another possibility that I hope isn’t true for the sake of Anna and the children is that Josh could actually be a predator and a sociopath who is not treatable. Even before the recent allegations about his possibly terrorizing a sex worker were published, I was disturbed by the people who kept saying with absolute certainty that Josh has led an exemplary life as an adult, as though a sexual predator couldn’t be a skilled manipulator who could hide his activities for many years. I also worry that even if Josh never overtly abuses any of his own children, he could engage in the type of covert abuse that can also be very damaging.

  • It’s good to find a place where the heart of the issue is discussed without snark or glee. I can’t help but think — and this is pure speculation– how fitting these compulsions of pedophilia and sex addiction are for Josh. Imagine growing up in a family where your parents make a living out of having sex and neglecting their uncountable numbers of children. To act as he has requires a volcanic mix of anger, fear, and powerlessness. To act out as he has is the behavior of a desperate and dangerous person. Anna Duggar endangers her children if she stays with this man.

    • This comment is so insightful. From personal observation, I’ve seen that a no-family-planning mentality often seems to spring from the parents’ sexual and emotional dysfunction. That dysfunction, no matter how perfectly hidden, is sure to offload onto the children and eventually become known.

  • I am not defending Josh in anyway, however this is what happens when you raise your children in a sexually repressed environment cut off from the rest of the world. The Parents are just as responsible as he is. I feel so sorry for Anna, she did everything right according to her beliefs and yet it blew up in her face. I hope whatever decision she makes, they it truly what she wants and not what her parents or religious community shoves down her throat.

  • The Duggars are picking up the pieces and starting a new chapter in their lives. Tune in August 28 @ 9|8c for a new season of 19 Kids and Counting!

    August 30th: Josh Duggar’s Victims/Sisters To Appear In TLC Documentary On Child Sex Abuse

    TLC couldn’t be much more vile if it tried.

    Josh “voluntarily” checks himself into a rehab center that has no physicians or trained counselors with no mandatory reporting. Leaving his wife alone with four little kids (and a bunch of ATI cult members to berate her for her “failings” as a wife). The timeline for Josh to go and get himself a piece of strange in Philadelphia works if you account for Union Station and Amtrak. After all, it’s not as though Anna was permitted to ask him his whereabouts and why he smelled like another woman’s perfume and body odor.

    His parents deserve to be impoverished and humiliated for failing their children. All of their children. They didn’t take Josh seriously enough (and clearly his issues should have been a wake-up call if they bothered to stop rutting) to get him real HELP, but they put the burden on their daughters by providing them with a door that locked.

    These people are foul. Imagine what would be written about them and how quickly they would be IN the legal system if they weren’t white/Caucasian.

    • “His parents deserve to be impoverished and humiliated” Jim Bob and Michelle Duggar deserve to be in prison for mass chronic child abuse, they are both sexually sadistic and perverted. The disgusting things happening to their family is their fault.

      • You’re absolutely right. I believe I have written something similar in other posts, elsewhere, but I should have written it yesterday too. I know that they gamed the system to prevent Josh from getting REAL treatment and to save their own public image. On the one hand, I do not hope there is another victim who hasn’t yet come forward, on the other – if there IS another victim and should she (?) come forward I hope that the statute of limitations shot clock starts anew, rather than starting from the date of the victimization. Then Josh can be charged for at least one crime and his parents as well.

        I know that the melanin-enhanced members of my family wouldn’t have been treated so leniently if they had committed crimes of this nature. In fact, I doubt they would have been celebrated for their fecundity and (professed) piety with lucrative television contracts, either.

  • As the “leave a reply” option isn’t available on the most recent commentary by R.L. Stollar re: HARO, Slate and Jessica Huseman, I’m going to leave it here.

    ““When I spoke to Farris, he dismissed both organizations [HARO and the Coalition for Responsible Home Education, (CRHE)] outright, calling them ‘a group of bitter young people’ who are ‘fighting against homeschooling … to work out their own issues with their parents.’” It saddens me that Farris has not only resorted to personal insults, but insults he knows well are entirely false, simply to dismiss and ignore the growing numbers of voices from the movement he helped build. Several board members of HARO had personal relationships with Farris due to the homeschool speech and debate league he created through HSLDA. My father was even president of the league while Farris was on the league’s board.”

    This is rich. Mr. Farris would probably be very supportive of anyone who had similar issues with public schools to speak out. Immediately after he had warmly ushered them into his group or directed them to ATI and made certain their energies and money were spent to directly and indirectly benefit himself.

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